Online Petition Seeks Missouri Secession after 2012 Presidential Election
Is this just post-election silliness or serious? White House forum draws attention from disappointed voters looking for a way out.
Considering Mitt Romney easily won Missouri on Nov. 6, it's not surprising that there are some disappointed Republicans in the Show-Me State. Some of them are so disappointed that they're petitioning to leave the union and create a new government.
That's according to reports around the state and the country, where at least 30 other states have seen similar petition drives crop up.
The petitions are filed on a section of the White House website. According to the Kansas City Star, if a petition gets 25,000 signatures in 30 days, the White House staff will review it and issue an "official response."
Missouri’s petition had nearly 13,000 signatures by midday Tuesday. It asks that the White House "peacefully grant the State of Missouri to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government."
The website allows citizens to make a petition for a variety of issues, including recognizing sign language as a language or refusing foreign aid to Uganda.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports "while there's really no chance the petitions will result in secession, those that get 25,000 signatures within 30 days will receive a some kind of formal response from the White House."
Texas reached the 25,000 mark on Monday.
Several petitions have been created since Friday, with individuals requesting that more than a dozen states be allowed to secede. The list includes Arizona, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Georgia (x2), Tennessee, Colorado, New Jersey, Montana, Indiana, Mississippi, Florida, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, New Hampshire, Alabama and Louisiana.
Is this just post-election silliness or do you think there are actually people serious about this? Do you think secession is an idea that should be given serious consideration—by anyone? Please comment below.
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Jim Frain
1:47 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
I believe that if anyone truly wants to secede from the United States, they should simply follow Rush Limbaugh to Costa Rica. I am certain that Rush will follow through on his promise to move if President Obama wins the election. After all, he speaks only the truth!
PMS
5:18 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Oh, please tell me he is gone!!!
The Missourian
2:03 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
13,000 people should leave my state. I will help them pack.
MO PATRIOT
2:46 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Or instead of watching FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc you should spend any and all of your extra time reading and researching everything in which has been adopted by illegal and unconstitutional legislation or executive order during the past 8 years. Obama is simply continuing the process maybe he is going about it a bit quicker but that would be the only difference.
All of the truth about what is happening is bundled in a shiny box which is what the majority focuses on, not the contents held inside.
By the way Missouri was won by Romney rather decisively I must say. Also our legislature is controlled by the republicans. The governor is of course a democrat but when he places a veto stamp on something the republicans overrule him by majority vote if it's an issue of great significance. For example exempting religious originations from including free birth control.
PMS
5:19 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
I will purchace their luggage!
dave
7:30 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
you are not man enough to help me pack
Jason B
7:53 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Mo Patriot,
Very well put. I agree with you whole heartedly. I personally voted for Paul, I knew Romney would be more of the same.
The level of corruption in our Federal government is astounding. I have to say I have been real proud of our state legislature here getting meaningful things done. I feel like on MOST things they truly do represent We The People.
Ginger Sparks
5:57 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Why should I have to leave my home any more than the patriots in the colonies who seceded from England? The petition is a constitutional right and should not be demeaned.
gregc
1:02 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
I do believe the 13,000 should ride you out on a rail. Preferably to a more Socialist compliant area, let's just say Washington D.C.. Then you could live out your dream of a failed socialist Utopia with your god Obama. The remainder of us will stay here and wave good bye, with a joyous "Don't let the door hit you in the a-- on the way out!!"
The Missourian
9:45 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Look at me, I'm gregc! Look how subversive I am!
MO PATRIOT
2:46 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Few last things...also won by a decisive margin was to not allow the implementation of the affordable health care act to take place in our state unless the people or legislation decide to do so. (this is paraphrasing a lengthy amendment). We also added to our constitution marriage is defined by a man and women, which outlawed gay marriage.
so it would seem that Missourians are of moral character, lean conservative, and care about our liberties, civil rights, and freedom in general.
While these petitions are just to get attention it does send a message and with over half the union signing/creating petitions that message grows stronger.
Being everything above is true it seems like you would be in the wrong state not us, after all we are the majority, at least in Missouri, but since our democracy is crumbling we will probably have to be the ones who end up leaving.
Time will tell but Texas has the world's 15th largest economy and can survive on its own resources and trade agreements with neighboring states or countries. So I am personally carrying out my plans of keeping property there near my family just in case things get out of control. FEMA, NDAA, GUN CONTROL, TSA, ETC
Caffeinated
3:34 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
pa·tri·ot /ˈpeɪtriət, -ˌɒt or, especially Brit., ˈpætriət/ Show Spelled[pey-tree-uht, -ot or, especially Brit., pa-tree-uht]
noun
A person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to label yourself "MO Taliban?"
Tom Maher
2:29 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
MO "PATRIOT" - have you stocked uop on Reynolds WRap as well? Ya never know when it might be banned - ain't covered by the 2nd Amendment, ya know...
And to "Caffeinated" - the ol' "PATRIOT" has forgotten what Samuel Johnson wrote about "patriotism."
Jim Frain
3:25 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Thanks MO...I'm clearly in the right state. You might be having a problem with your "State of Mind" but that is your concern, not mine... And if the election had gone the other way, I would still be in the right state...I live here, I love this country and we have weathered the leadership of both parties over the years... If you feel the need, Texas will welcome you with open arms and they could use your tax dollars too...so will Costa Rica along with their newest resident Rush Limbaugh. I'm staying right here in O'Fallon, MO - Love this place!
gregc
2:38 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Glad that you're staying in O'Flatulance, Mo.. While we here in the Southern part of the State fight for freedom and the Consitution, you can swoon in the belief that Obama's projected Socialist Utopia, in some way will make your life better, and that it won't redistribute everything that you own, and every other penny that you make to some piece of crap that is simply too lazy and too dependent on a free government handout to make any more of him/herself than a common gutter rat.
Barbara Sheble
3:31 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Get out of this United States if you don't like it here! Go see what you get in other countries!
Chris Wilcox
12:50 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Free healthcare, less corrupted government or we could stay here and fight for our rights as US citizens... Don't lie down and give your rights up.. Fight for them.. as our ancestors did. The government is long over due for an overthrow. We have a constitutional duty to stand up and fight for our rights which our government is trying to take from us. It is our duty.. not our right.. so to those who are willing to lie down.... you get out!
gregc
2:43 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Nope! It's Socialist loving traitors such as yourself and Obama who need to GET OUT! And besides if I moved to Mexico, or elsewhere I'd have to bury all of the money that I would make smuggling black market goods across the border to sell to you Socialist cool-aid drinkers here in the U.S. Oh sorry, that wouldn"t work. Obama and Calderon have that business all wrapped up!
TOOWARM
3:53 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
I guess we would never have become the United States if the liberals would have told our founding fathers to leave if you don't like it..... I believe they fought and died for Freedom of Speech among other things. I think I heard that somewhere...
Scott Simon
3:53 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
i wonder who the genius was who wrote this petition. Did he/she ever figure out how to pay the Federal Government? Interstate highways for example. I don't think they'll accept a check or give a loan...
Mike Quinn
3:54 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
I spent 23 years of my life in the Army defending this country. Our election process works. It's a democratic Nation.. This "I'm gonna take my ball and play elsewhere" Mentality is Comical.. If you don't like it, you know where the Airport is..1 way ticket to Iran, russia, wherever... Right or Wrong, good or Bad, this is the Freedom and Nation I fought for and will never leave.. "We" need to work together for the common good.
Jim Frain
4:04 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Perfectly stated Mike Quinn...and thank you so very much for your 23 years of service to our country. And yes, we truly need to work together for the common good of our country....We are all Americans!
Julie Grohowski
5:25 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Mr. Quinn, I believe wholeheartedly in your sentiment. May I quote you on my Facebook page?
Jason B
8:04 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Not perfectly stated. Your service is appreciated, and those of us who think the secession petitions are a good idea arent taking that away from you. The problem is, the last just war we fought was WW2. It wasnt the soldiers fault, it was the corrupt governments fault.
For people to sit and blindly say this is the best country on earth no matter what the government does is what is almost comical. It IS the best country on earth for now, but it will be just like all the rest if we keep our heads in the sand allow them to continue to strip away our freedom.
People are trying to make this a story of people not liking Obama. Thats not what it is, we dont like Obama, MOST of us didnt like Rmoney, and while i voted for Bush and was happy about it the first term, the second term I had to hold my nose.
MO Patriot was RIGHT. People need to research beyond the shiny box and see why we are upset.
Mike Q, you took an oath to defend the Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic. What our government is doing to us and our Constitution is falls in the category of being worthy of defending against. Secession is a potential peaceful solution. At least it is a form of protest if nothing else. Something we are guaranteed by that same Constitution that you swore an oath to defend. You have the right to your opinion, but so do the rest of us.
Jim Frain
4:01 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Thanks TooWarm....Liberals...Conservatives...Whatever...We did not bring up the word secede as we are ready to face the future right here in our State of Missouri and our United States......For those who want to leave the state and secede, that's great. We are a country of free choices and if that is the choice, so be it.
RAVELLE BOLERO
4:16 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
YEAH...I CERTAINLY DO WANT TO LEAVE A COMMENT. WE LIVE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE EVERYONE RICH IS LIBERAL, THEY CAN AFFORD TO BE. THEIR LIFESTYLES
AND NEIGHBORHOODS ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE DWINDLING MIDDLE CLASS. WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IMMIGRANTS EVERYDAY.
WE ARE FORCED TO ACCEPT THEIR WAYS, WHICH ARE ANTI-AMERICAN. THEY LITTER THE STREETS, PARK NUMEROUS VEHICLES THROUGHOUT, CRAM HOUSES WITH MORE IMMIGRANTS SO THEY CAN POOL RESOURCES AND BUY MORE PROPERTY. THE MAJORITY OF IMMIGRANTS HATE AMERICA AND AMERICANS BUT THEIR KIDS WILL GO TO OUR COLLEGES AND GET GOOD JOBS.
IN S.F., THE WESTERN VERSION OF CHINA...98% CHINESE...IT'S AN ONGOING NIGHTMARE. NO ONE SPEAKS ENGLISH AND CITY STATE AND FEDERAL ARE ALL ASIAN. THEY'RE JUST WAITING FOR US TO DIE SO THEY CAN GET THEIR HANDS ON OUR PROPERTY. IT'S NOT AMERICA ANYMORE. OUR GOVT HAS SOLD US OUT. FOREIGNERS HAVE MORE RIGHTS THAN WE DO. THE HOMELESS ARE AMERICANS, NO IMMIGRANTS PANHANDLING.
Tom Maher
7:01 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Oh, Xenophobia, thy name is "RAVELLE [sic] BOLERO!"
"98% CHINESE"? Is there an emoticon for "chuckle-chuckle?"
You use all caps, and yet are unfamiliar with the name of the composer of "Bolero?"
Motty
5:42 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
You are right Revelle,California twenty plus years ago was a beautiful place to live ,no longer true the immigrants have taken over.
Tom Maher
6:12 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
A-Yup, brave "Motty."
Say didn't the California Native Americans say the same thing after the Spanish arrived?
Or don't they count?
Mary C.
4:19 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Try reading the Constitution. People have the right to petition the Government to seceed, like it or not. FYI to all those who believe this is a group of right-wing crazies....who, then, petitioned in 2004 after Geo.W.Bush won, eh?
Caffeinated
4:39 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Where in the Constitution does it say people have the right to petition to secede?
Also, who petitioned to secede in 2004? What are you talking about?
George Oerther
5:45 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Mary, as far as I know, only Texas has the clear right to withdraw from the USA, retained when it joined the USA as an independent Republic. It also has the right to subdivide into as many as 5 smaller states, which could have a significant impact on the Senate. House representation, based on population, would not be affected.
Caffeinated
6:03 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
"Mary, as far as I know, only Texas has the clear right to withdraw from the USA, retained when it joined the USA as an independent Republic."
That isn't true. The "right to secede" myth probably comes from something Rick Perry stated a number of years ago. His grasp of Texas history wasn't really accurate. It was never part of the Compromise.
Jason B
8:06 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Amen.
Caffeinated
8:50 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Mary & Jason,
Answer the question: where in the Constitution does it state that people have " right to petition the Government to seceed" (sic)
Before telling others to "try reading the Constitution" you might try it yourselves.
Devon Seddon
1:00 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Since none of you have apparently read, much less understand it....
Having experienced mistreatment by the British government, the writers of the Constitution were careful to limit the powers of government & protect the rights of individuals. The primary purpose of federal government was to:
1. Defend the shores (borders)
2. Establish a system of currency
3. Deliver the mail
4. Protect individual rights
Amendment 10, the last in the Bill of Rights:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Does the US Constitution grant rights to its citizens? No.
Looking back at the forerunner to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, we find the Grantor of individual rights:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness."
The Constitution does not grant rights. It assumes people have those rights from the Creator & establishes that government shall not take them away.
The Constitution would be a dangerous if it granted rights. By amending it, those in power could take away those rights.
The founding fathers were repetitively adamant that citizens already had those rights.
So, yes, people have the right to petition to secede. Will they ever do it? No.
You neither read NOR understand it.
Caffeinated
1:22 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
"So, yes, people have the right to petition to secede. Will they ever do it? No."
They have the right to free speech. There is no provision for secession. Try again.
Jim Frain
4:25 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Best wishes to all of you whether you wish to secede or think that it is a crazy idea. I believe that we all love our country and we just react to issues in different ways. Our history is a long one and we will weather what some people believe will be a terrible storm with President Obama. I am an optimist and a proud American...I pray that we will all come together instead of seeing who can come up with the most sarcastic statement. God Bless America.
Thomas Gibson
4:45 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
This is to funny. Yeah,he won, so what? They are all the same in the end. Next time someone else will win. Again, so what? If you do not like him, so be it. Neither do I, but I will never leave my country, right or wrong.
David Goddard
5:26 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
The federal government as well as the states have forgotten that the states pre exhisted the federal goverment. The constitution brought into exhistance and gave limited powers to the fed. We created the fed. We can undo it also. Some say we can't. Well Russia did it. So have others. I for one think its time. We need to start over. Article five constitution or secession. I'm ready
Jason B
8:08 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Finally someone with some sense. Maybe people will see that this isnt a knee jerk reaction cuz the guy with the R after his name didnt win. Its about our country and our constitution that is being trampled and chipped away. The "2" major parties might as well be the same one.
MJ WIttry
5:44 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Sooooo, you don't lke the current administration. YOu want to leave, or rather to have the US leave you. So if the US economy picks up and the Missouri economy doesn't, are you going to petition to come back? Or if the US elects a Republican or someone more to your liking will you petition to come back? Or will you plan to move back to the US and leave the other MIssourian behind? Does this mean you're giving up your Social Security and Medicare? Does this mean that the federal funds for MO schools can now go to other states that have stayed? Can you maintain your highways without federal funds? Or will you do as my grandfather and great-uncle did and require yoru citizens to maintain the roads? Are you clear about what you want?
David A. Perkins
12:17 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Idiot. You equate secession with "anti-America." The truth is, we now have a man in the highest office of these UNITED sovereign states who cannot produce a legitimate birth certificate. Obama is also using a social security number to a man who was born in 1890. Obama has committed high treason SEVERAL times, is a Muslim, hates America and Americans and will do anything to destroy us. Right now he is bypassing congress and the Senate with executive order. If you want to call this administration constitutional, then you are a MORON. Secession IS an alternative to states who are no longer interested in becoming Muslim Marxist states. Our country was founded on Freedom....not tyranny. I am ging to sign the secession petittion and hope the great state of Missouri will pull itself away from the Marxist government in Washington.
The Missourian
8:08 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Get your facts straight. He produced a birth certificate, which was validated by both the state of Hawaii and two newspapers in the state. I know it must be very hard for you to accept the fact that we have a legitimately elected black President serving a second, re-elected term, but guess what? We DO. Also, he is an adherent of the UCC, a faith that corresponds well to his policy positions. By the way, don't you think the FEC, or the FBI, or the CIA would have determined whether or not he was born here by now? Idiots. And learn what the hell Marxism means, because it does not mean what you think it means.
Tom Maher
2:36 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
David A. Perkins forgot the most heinous of Obama's sins: He dissed Missouri, and in particular Cardinal Nation, when he appeared HERE at the All Star Game in '09, wearing a (Gasp!) White Sox jacket.
Oh, the humanity!
Bring out the torches and pitchforks!
Dieselboy
5:55 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
This country formed on high treason and I believe that you are acting like a Brit to believe that it is anti American to petition for freedom!
Tom Maher
7:17 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Oh, "Dieselboy" - we already have "freedom;" have you heard?
MJK
6:32 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Where do I sign the petition? I This country is crumbling plain and simple. I do not blame Obama. I blame congress. Say what you will, they are the biggest collection of donothings that I can remember. The only thing they can agree on is a pay increase for themselves. All empires fall! Get ready for the ride!
curly
8:38 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
MJK i firmly believe that it is NOT the president either thats to blame.......IT IS CONGRESS! Thats what SOOOOO many americans seem to forget and they don't realize that when they don't vote on these small elections before the president is elected........PEOPLE start voting at every election! It's SOOOOO important.
MIKE K
7:01 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Go to WE THE PEOPLE web site. You will need to set up an account using your email address, it takes about 5 minutes. Then you can scroll down to the Missouri petition and sign it. The Missouri petition is up to 14,396 signatures, with 4,652 signatures today alone. 41 of the 50 states have petitions underway to secede from the Union.
RDBet
8:04 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
He's taking his sword and leaving. Fly away weirdos. Fly away.
http://agapegeek.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/angel-sword-shield.jpg
Scotty Greene
7:30 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Weirdos.
Scotty Greene
7:31 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Oh yeah, and traitors, too.
Jason B
8:11 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Our government has been the ones that are traitors. How can you call people who want to go back to the Constitution traitors? Maybe you should think about this a little before you start popping off.By government I mean R and D alike. People wake up.
MIKE K
8:46 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Now what would you call citizens exercising their legal right to express their desire for their respective states traitors? A traitor is normally defined as a person working to help a foreign government overthrow their parent nation. I don't think this is the case in this instance. Must be a lot of weirdos out there since over 300,000 US citizens have signed petitions to secede from Obama nation.
Larry Lazar
9:42 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Go for it mike k. Good luck!
Mike K
10:02 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Interesting that the party of Lincoln, who ended the civil war, and pretty much settled the question as to whether states can secede from the union of states, the United States of America, are now championing the notion that states can secede.
Woosh.
Mike K
10:08 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Hmm. Over 300,000 you say. That's what? 1% of the US population? Maybe it's the same 1% who are losing their tax break 'entitlement program' when it expires. Coincidence?
Caffeinated
8:20 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
300,000 = ~.00096% of the population.
Most of them hillbillies.
The Missourian
9:11 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
^ +1
Greg Lee
10:11 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
It's crazy... But I do hope Rush moves. Just one stipulation. He has no access to ANY means of broadcast technology. Not even a string and cup. The only thing better than not having to see him is not having to hear his pompous self absorbed rants. See ya Limbaugh!
Larry Lazar
10:31 pm on Tuesday, November 13, 2012
This blog post seems appropriate here. Excerpt:
"It would be almost amusing to let these people have their way – just to see if they could maintain that “balanced budget” and that standard of living without money from Washington while at the same time having to assume their own national defense including a standing army, air force, and navy along with highway construction and maintenance, education, research, scientific advancement at levels necessary to remain competitive in a global economy, weather prediction and communications (including satellite based systems), energy and water infrastructures, and so on right up to disaster relief (no small thing in a state prone to hurricanes and drought).
I can’t wait to see their faces when they realize that we’re taking the Navy ships and the Air Force jets and Army tanks with us, along with all the classified military systems and equipment, not to mention the intelligence and information infrastructure – see, we don’t share that stuff with enemy nations, though they can sometimes buy the lesser export versions. I suppose, if we were generous, we could let them keep the Texas National Guard’s equipment even though the federal government paid for almost all of it. "
more at link below:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2012/11/with-friends-like-these.html
Philip17
6:18 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
I feel like you are kidding??? I am in the engineering/manufacturing industry. I want to succeed. I believe all you would be left with would be a bunch of freeloaders, bums, artists, and politicians! You guys would be completely bankrupt in a matter of years, or even months. The givers are getting sick and tired of the takers.
David
6:37 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
I love rush Limbaugh! I love it that some people are using the Obama website to make a point! It's interesting that the Libs who were going to move after W won still live here. They survived 8 years, lets just all pray that our country will survive another 4 years of global equalization ( distribution of our collective wealth) the US is to the world what the 'rich' Americans are to America. Think about it before you respond. Btw, secession would be followed by a new government of several states, does anyone remember the civil war?
Philip17
9:49 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Agree 100% Great post!!
BLH
7:19 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Maybe they can all go to Texas! We will build a fence, and then they can design their own government. Of course, there won't be any federally funded public schools, roads, security, medicare, social security, medicaid. No small business loans, student loans, pell grants. No FEMA disaster assistance for the tornados or storms that hit the coast. No subsidies for the farmers when the crops wither due to drought, too. Rush, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and Hannity can all have their own network station in the new country. That would be great. Ahhh Utopia!
As for me, I will stay here. I love my country, even if the person I voted for wasn't elected. And I prefer to act like an adult and not throw a tantrum when I don't get my way.
Jason B
8:21 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Texas has the 15th largest economy in the world. I think they are capable of staying out of 3rd world category. The rest of the states would band together with Texas. You might be surprised how well those states would do.
You might also be suprised how hungry the states that stayed with the union would get without food and without our tax dollars to buy more. All that military equipment would almost be useless. You wouldnt have the money or the manpower to run it. You definitely wouldnt be able to keep running all over the globe out of greed. As many tax dollars as you all think you have, you dont have enough. THis country doesnt have enough as it is. We are broke and the corrupt people in our government are taking us all down with this great nation. Again I say, people need to wake the hell up and see what is going on. This is far from we dont like Obama. We don like the direction of our nation and havent for a long long time. The last 2 presidents that tried to buck the powers that be, got shot for it, one of em died because of it, the other was alot less effective afterwards. Think about that for awhile.
Philip17
9:51 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
You guys would be out of other peoples money in no time. The government will soon all your property and continue selling it to the unions and china to keep there worthless programs going. Good luck!
Dieselboy
6:09 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
For me its not about who has been voted into office hell they are all thief's. Its about straightening out a corrupt government congressmen are public servants I believe they should work for minimum wage IMO
The Missourian
6:22 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
You don't pay elected officeholders minimum wage. You pay them well enough that:
1) They are free to make controversial decisions that would otherwise have financial repercussions on their re-entry to civilian life.
2) That one does not have to be independently wealthy to hold office.
3) That they are not likely to accept bribes due to hardship.
4) That they are paid for the loss of their private life and anonymity.
That is why you pay legislators well and provide them with generous benefits.
Larry Lazar
8:22 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
so much for that Pledge that we all have given a few thousand times over our lives then?
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all"?
Elizabeth O'Fallon
8:36 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
I think there are a lot better options out there than succession, I personally don't think succession makes sense. I think "nullification" is a much better idea for states who want to exercise their 10th amendment rights. http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/the-10th-amendment-movement/
Jason B
9:18 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
I really think the nullification has been having an effect and MO has been doing alot of it. To be clear, i didnt say secession was a Constitutional right, I said that these petitions were going to be more of a protest, which is guaranteed by the Constitution.
I wouldnt be opposed to several states seceding and governing on the Constitution, very much unlike what we have today.Lets hope nullification does the job, but sometimes drastic situations take drastic measures.
It would take a war to do it and no one wants that. Would be like the first civil war on steroids. Bad bad bad however you look at it. So with that said lets hope that these petitions arent written off by congress the way some of the posters here are so willing to do. There is tremendous dissent in this country and its getting worse. Obama is only a small part of it. He couldnt get by with what he does if the congress we elected to represent us did what they should.
Elizabeth O'Fallon
8:39 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
From Justice Scalia, arguably the most conservative justice on the court. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/there-is-no-right-to-secede-see-the-letter-where-justice-scalia-shoots-down-idea-of-leaving-the-union/
RDBet
9:10 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Sorry folks, the Rapture didn't happen for one-party GOP rule this election.
http://psychcentral.com/lib/2006/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/
You are transitioning from stage 1 to stage 2 for loss and grief- denial/isolation to anger.
Sorry to break it to you. You are a minority. This must be hard to believe with insular lives led and fear of the boogiemen of socialists! marxists! baby murderers! stoked by your extremist media outlets. The politicians played your zealotry and it turns out, they only give a damn about you whenever we have a big election. They are just as corrupt and ineffective as the other guys.
Stay in stage 1/2 denial isolation and anger if you wish - but it won't get you anywhere.. Like most cults, they just set the Rapture date further down the road (secession).
Philip17
9:54 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
We had a minority of the votes in this election (that can be proven without legal action), however, we are not the minority. That was an arrogant statement.
The Missourian
6:26 pm on Sunday, November 18, 2012
You aren't the minority? Seriously? For real? I don't think you understand how elections work. You see, people register to vote. Then on a chosen day we refer to as "election day," (which usually occurs on the first Tuesday in November), registered voters show up to vote. They cast ballots for a variety of offices and initiatives, and those votes are then tallied to determine the winner. The candidates and ballot initiatives garnering the most votes pass. Thus you are in the minority. That. Is. How. It. Works.
Caffeinated
9:20 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Here's another petition.
As the title indicates, this petition is to strip the citizenship of everyone who signed the secession petitions and exile their un-American asses.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/strip-citizenship-everyone-who-signed-petition-secede-and-exile-them/ZbMjcwPf
Gee, petitions are fun.
Philip17
9:58 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
There is a difference between people being smart-asses and people being fed up. Please try to understand, those of us paying for able bodied people to stay at home and be unproductive, are fed up. Were tired of funding other peoples agendas. We are tired of paying for waste. It is not a joke to those of us struggling who will now have to partake in even more programs to take care of bums.
Caffeinated
9:47 am on Thursday, November 15, 2012
There is no excuse for talking about secession, and it's patently ridiculous.
If you're struggling, why don't you stop blaming the President and do something productive like assess your career and make adjustments or get retraining. Standing out on a corner with a sign dressed as a colonial will do absolutely nothing to help your situation.
Your taxes have not been raised.
The job market *is* improving.
Your guns have not been taken away (nor will they).
Seriously, you're utterly ridiculous. Take personal responsibility. Whiny boomers...
PaulRevere
10:39 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Well, I'm sticking around. Just sold my Horse. Bought a brand new Natural Gas running vehicle and now run it on all that saved "Horse manure".
Philip17
9:59 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Wait until we begin getting taxed for cow farts eh I mean methane gas pollution.
PaulRevere
11:37 am on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Secession is a serious MINORITY VOTER response. It is NOT a Party Response.
As Progressive Liberals continue to Tax the innovative minds to create their own Labor-Country force (Govt and union workers) while totally ignoring the constitution, one wonders if that is the Forward- America our Founders envisioned. The answer is NO!
It is the Progressive Democratic Party That has broken Away from AMERICA!.
Real Secession will win it back---CONSTITUTIONALLY.
America's Dinner table will soon have a Vacancy sign that reads--"Wanted, Jobs-$$'s some "hard working Investors" who can RE-Build America".
Secession is no longer --just Talk. It is a "VOTE" FOR THE CONSTITUTION!
TEXAS must suceed first on Secession. They already have the financial center
Capabilities.
Missouri Does not even come close to any Secession reality..
Rahib
1:50 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Secessionists would be traitors.
Taxes are lower now than they have been in 50 years.
Your Republicans are the ones who increase spending while decreasing revenue - sound like a good plan? No. Gonna give them some heck? No. Zzzzzzzzz
Philip17
10:00 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Agreed! Great post.
The Missourian
12:10 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Anyway, this is a stupid conversation. There will be no secession. The whiners will sulk for awhile and the rest of us can live in the 21st century.
Philip17
10:04 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Were not sulking. We are taking action. Impeachment, secession, investigations, forming community organizations, and soon enough activists will be hitting the streets. We will have to take a page straight from the low-life democrats to get the silent majority of conservative Americans to step up and take the country back into the RIGHT direction. Just think about it, the liberals running the country now are the same low-life's who were spitting on our troops as they came back from Vietnam. Disgusting.
The Missourian
7:53 am on Thursday, November 15, 2012
I think the election settled which direction Americans want the country to go in. So uh, yeah. Good luck with that protesty thing!
The Missourian
9:04 am on Thursday, November 15, 2012
Also, Vietnam ended before I was born, so why don't you pick a more useful cultural reference point.
Tom Maher
9:31 am on Thursday, November 15, 2012
Now, now "The Missourian" - let's just try to buy up stock in Reynolds Wrap, which will surely increase in value once "Philip17" and his buddy "activists" start hitting the streets and "taking action" (insert guffaws)...
Jim Frain
12:40 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Signing out on this Secession thread...It has become ludicrous. I hope that Paul Revere (use your real name sometime) will ride his horse to Texas and be happy for the rest of his life....Or, Costa Rica with Rush would be good for you too PR. Have a great day all...God Bless America.
Bradley Dee
7:18 am on Thursday, November 15, 2012
I will say to all that supports this Secession of Missouri from the United States. Please leave Missouri Now and live in another Country. We do not Want anyone that does not support the President of the United States of America.
Jason B
7:33 am on Thursday, November 15, 2012
How about you stop blindly supporting criminals. Bush was no better. JFK and Reagan were the last US presidents to stand up to the crooks running things and they were also the last 2 to get shot. Everyone else since has been fallin in line with the Globalist/socialist plan.
Ever notice that major policy from president to president since Reagan despite Party has not changed? That fiscal policy by and large has not changed? It is definitely time the people who truly love this country and NOT the government make some changes. The answer is to not leave the nation as some of you people seem to think we should, it is to fight and get our country back.
We want a return to the Constitution. We want freedom and we want the government to represent us not the super elite powers that be.
So how about this, if you like the direction this country is going, how about YOU leave and go somewhere else, because Europe and Canada have already fallen to these turds. If you like that, YOU go live there and leave the rest of us to fight for our republic.
PaulRevere
12:03 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
Apprx 60 million Voters elected a Progressive Democratic party (Obama).
Apprx 59 million DID NOT.
Gloating over a President barely getting 51% of the country votes while the US HOUSE of Representatives = over 55% Republican (Conservative), proves that
A MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY IS STILL CONSERVATIVE. Over 30 States are Republican controlled (Governors). (That's 60% of the states)
Prediction!-
Secession is likely to make more noise when unemployment reaches 9% to 10% and GM re-files for a "legitimate" bankruptcy--All this coming in 2013 to 2016.
There is not enough Democrats that can continue to support buying their cars.
You Party zealots can Gloat an election, but you still have ways to go before you win the "COUNTRY".
The Missourian
12:13 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
I would say the election proved that the 4 year long campaign of hate against Obama (is he a citizen? a muslim? a communist? a black panther? etc etc etc) was remarkably ineffective. The 55% in the house is the result of 2010 gerrymandering and packing uncompetitive 90% Democratic districts. Just look at Missouri - there are many ways to district Missouri that would result in a fairly representative D-R balance, but KC and STL and STL CO are packed. If you had nonpartisan districts, there would be a democratic majority in the House similar to that in the Senate. The country leans progressive, especially as time passes. You make it sound like Progressive is a bad thing. Progressive is Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Truman, Eisenhower, and other more recent presidents.
The Missourian
12:14 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
^ Congressional districts.
PaulRevere
2:07 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
Excuses, Excuses!
"Packing" districts? Nice Try!
Democrats "pack" their cities and leave the rest to conservatives. As without California or NY-- Curtains for Democratic Party.
"freebies" is another form of Packing a vote.
Democrats will never win the House again. (The most important control)
The "electorate" might be "freebie" leaning, but this country will stay conservative as each state will gain more and more Republican leadership.
That alone proves my point.
soon, major unemployment will hit this USA. More House Republicans will come in 2014.
You will see just how many die-hard Democrats actually exist.
Gone are the Bush-Blaming excuses.
The power of the House is supported by 30 states and that is BIG!
Even a 100% tax on the Rich will only get 1 month of expenses.
Stay tuned.
Tom Maher
2:59 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
A-Yup, "Paul Revere" - you've caught on to us libruls' strategy (dare I type 'strategery'?).
We moves them people into the urban areas!
Why pretty soon, Spanish will be the "other language" for Metro STL - next to Ebonics, of course.
PaulRevere
1:50 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Well, Tom M --Just explain to us how many Democratic voters vote for the country, rather than a "person" that would give them financial assistance.
Yet, you choose to mock. (A sign of guilt.).---proving my point.
The past 40 years is a good guide.
California is now auditioning for the First stage performance of "PACKINGS-A DEMOCRATIC VERSION".
Maybe your mockery will come to life (on stage) right before our eyes. No rehearsals necessary.
Tom Maher
3:09 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
"PaulRevere" - your response is as ludicrous as is your premise that districts were "packed."
You bet I chose to mock; that is what your premise deserves. It may be a "sign of guilt," but only to your coterie of - one...
WAIT! You just figgered out that more people live incities than on farms! Congratulations!
P.S. The historical person whose name you stole was a heck of a lot braver than thee; he did not use a pseudonym. But Hey! - anything to avoid remarks being contributed to a real person so their kids would not be ashamed of their Dad, right?
RDBet
1:17 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
See 5 stages of grief/loss. The losers are working thru them.
Caffeinated
1:25 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
...but they'll still be losers in the end. Disgruntled, un-American, traitorous losers.
Elizabeth O'Fallon
5:25 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
Apparently the government is attempting to silence the people of Alderon who were attempting to secede from the Galactic Empire. The petition is no longer available on www.whitehouse.gov. I'm not for other states seceding but would have signed that one! Our government is also seriously lacking a good sense of humor.
MORepublican
10:16 pm on Thursday, November 15, 2012
If people would actually look at all of the illegal things Obama has done in the last four years, Romney would have won easily. I personally think the petitions for secession are serious. The government is corrupt and we need a change.
Mike S
7:15 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Start citing some with some links on where to look at them? Oh and no Fox news, the blaze and any other partisan leaning resources.
gregc
2:16 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
What we have now in Washington is a Puppet Administration, having it's strings pulled by George Soros, members of the Bilderberg Group, and various other Progressive, Socialist, and Islamic interests. The man in the Oval Office is nothing more than a Manchurian Candidate, whose convictions sway when ever the powers behind the curtain let him know what he believes. These petitions for secession, I would hope, are deadly serious, and if given the opportunity I will sign in the blink of an eye, and then defend secession just as the Confederacy did in the first Civil War against an oppressionist government. Would it end the same? I wouldn't count on it!
PaulRevere
1:27 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
GregC: YOu are very much on point.
Know well that you have over 50% of this country who agrees with you.
Liberalism is NOT financially supportable. Social issues need long-term financial support. That is why I believe liberalism is on it's final legs. (Maybe 5 to 10 years).
Once it actually affects those who are shut off, the tide will turn toward financial proseprity.
Sensible? I think so
3:33 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
"Know well that you have over 50% of this country who agrees with you. "
Wrong again, Mr. Revere.
gregc
2:53 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
The Missourian? Missourian my a--! I do believe that Socialist Traitor fits you more correctly! The election in no way tells the story of the path that this Nation wants to embark on. It simply shows how split we all are. There is no longer a middle of the road, and there is none needed. It's either Anti-American European Socialism, and Treason, or Freedom, Patriotism, and the Constitution. There is nothing else!! And your stand, when Civil War begins, puts you directly across from me in the trenches! A meeting that I contemplate with great anticipation!!
Caffeinated
8:26 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
You're anticipating shooting people who disagree with you?
Tom Maher
6:02 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Now, now, "Caffeinated" - "gregc's" bark is worse than his (toothless) bite.
He be brave on the Internet!
Caffeinated
7:20 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
I was hoping he would elaborate. He's worked this out in his head to the point of there being trenches in another civil war. The fantasy world he lives in is way more interesting than the mundane life I lead.
One thing is clear though... there must be more than a few shamed high school civics and history teachers out there to have produced such a glut of ignorant dolts.
The Missourian
12:54 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Awesome. You just keep workin' on the "Civil War" thingy...
Lisa villmer
3:12 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
The congress is the real problem. The president can't do anything hardly with out their ok. The president orders should be done away with. The people in government are so out of touch. They can't find the forest for the trees. Government needs to back off, I have never been a smoker but I feel these people have lost a freedom to decide for them self . The government now is tring to tell us how to eat look at new York. Kids can't talk hardly. I mean a kid say a teacher was pretty and that is sexually harassment come on. A kid passed gas and was kicked out of school. Kids that are over weight are being removed from home. Back off goverment Until christians vote for want is right and want GOD would want this country is going to hell in a hand basket. There is not much difference between hitler and the wrongs going on in this country. If thing don't change this time vote next time to change congress and the house to new people and show do the best for us or be without a job. I think starting the next election let's but new people in and see if things change. I also think that twice a year there should be a paper but out on what was voted on, and how each person voted. Make them accountable.
Mike S
7:21 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
Most of what you state is not the federal government, it is local or state level government. But I do agree that it doesn't fall on the president alone. Congress has a big part of what is going on in this country.
PaulRevere
1:19 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Lisa is correct.
Our Senators and many in the House have no knowledge about "spending" Borrowed money vs. spending Revenue.
For instance: The payroll tax cuts are only for a "worker". Allowing workers to keep the soc sec taxes that should have gone into the Treasury IS SPENDING WITHOUT RECEIVING THE REVENUE.
That is over $300bil of Revenue decrease FOR All of Americans.
That is stealing our Retirement fund support. It is amazing how many Senators Do not even think That is SPENDING. I agree that any Senator who wants to continue Payroll Tax cuts should be replaced. It might be good for the worker, but it is Devastating to the Retirees. That's just one example of the House/Senate stupidity.
Everything is Political-For a vote--Our country is not being represented.
Vickie M.
9:22 am on Friday, November 16, 2012
"We are all one in Christ Jesus!" Paul told the Galatians (Gal. 3:26-29). Satan, however, constantly tries to divide God's people. One of his most effective means of division has been to divide men and women -- whether in families,churches or partylines. Paul reminds us that if Jesus is our Lord, we recognize we need each other and we are committed to placing value on each other. Rather than letting Satan divide us through our differences, we choose to unite around our Savior! ♥ Light Devotion
PaulRevere
1:21 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
Just for the record-- "PAUL" Revere did not say this.
Tom Maher
2:57 pm on Friday, November 16, 2012
I knew it, "Vickie M!" Flip Wilson's character, Geraldine Jones, said it long ago, as you will recall:
"The Devil made me do it."
gregc
1:18 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
No Caffeinated, I have no delight in the belief that at some point because of the deep divisions in our country that we may someday find ourselves in yet another Civil War. But as I have already said; There is no middle of the road any longer, and apparently no compromise to be had between those of us who think differently than each other. At some point in time all of the animosity, and anger will spill over. It can already be seen by the simple fact that individuals and States across the U.S. are even contimplating Secession. I have no personal bias towards anyone, including Obama from the left. But politically, I will not submit to anyone who would attempt to initiate any form of Socialism into our free society. And, if it means that I must fight to keep that form of government out of this Nation, to maintain Our Constitution, and the rights and freedoms that we all have come to enjoy, I would do so. Reluctantly, but I would do so!
Tom Maher
3:46 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Oh brave "gregc," (thou who hides behind a pseudonym)...
You aver you bear no personal bias against the President, yet in asn earlier post you called him a "Manchurian Candidate" and then referred to him as "god Obama."
So - you are apparently lying, is it not true?
And your bloviation about being "in the trenches" in the "next Civil War" is beyond belief; even you cannot have an ego that large and silly.
Say - do you need any more tinfoil? I have a couple of extra rolls.
Caffeinated
8:12 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
"It can already be seen by the simple fact that individuals and States across the U.S. are even contimplating Secession"
Nobody is "contimplating" secession other than a few fruit loops who don't understand that there is no Constitutional provision for secession and petitioning for it is tantamount to writing your fantasies on a piece of paper and burning it in an ashtray. Help yourself. Sign all the petitions you want, you have the right to free speech.
I also have the right to mock you.
You're an un-American, ignorant, crypto-racist who clearly doesn't understand that the American political process just worked flawlessly. The will of the people was enumerated. Whether you accept it is immaterial.
gregc
1:26 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Tom Maher, if you actually believe that my bark is bigger than my bite, possibly you should try poking the dog with a stick and testing out the bite for yourself, rather than hiding behind your empty comments on the internet! Words are cheap, and yours are worth, well, well, you owe me money!
Tom Maher
3:37 am on Saturday, November 17, 2012
Oh brave "gregc," (thou who hides behind a pseudonym).
Surely you would be the one to march in the streets and build the barricades and strike back at tyranny - Bwa-Ha-ha!
Bow-wow, bow-wow!
So, what would you call your "insurrection?" The "War of Northern Aggression" has already been claimed by apologists for the South.
Tom Langley
4:51 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
I think the petitioners have it wrong. The purpose of the petition should not be to "ask" for "permission". Permission will not be granted anyway. The purpose of the petition should be to simply notify Washington that we are leaving. Then we begin to eject ALL federal employees from the state. Forcibly if necessary. Reject all future responsibility to Washington by no longer enforcing or accepting their laws or handouts. No longer sending them any money.
Larry Lazar
5:01 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
That's very interesting statement Tom. I have two follow-up questions for you.
Question 1: Who exactly is this "we" that you are referring to that is going to "leave" while forcibly ejecting federal employees from the state?
Question 2: Didn't a few states, ie the Confederate States, already try your idea once back in 1861? Why do you think this effort, if you were able to pull it off, would end up any differently then the previous attempt?
The Missourian
5:26 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
More specifically, if you did leave, what makes you think STL, KC, and Columbia would join with the secession? Note that those three in many ways are the economic engine of the state.
Tom Maher
7:15 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Well now, let us follow Tom Langley's suggestion: "We" leave, then all of the Federal employees are ejected, forcibly if necessary, right? So, what if the Fort Leonard Wood and Whiteman AFB peeps object? Does you gots bigger guns than them, Tom?
And anyway, if "we" (meaning thee and fellow wingnuts) leave and Federal employees leave - then we gots a Librul State! Hey, that work's for me!
Of course, ol' Tom forgets than almost every secesh state gets more money from the Federal Bluebellies than it pays to D.C.
MO PATRIOT
9:39 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Wow it appears I showed up at the party too early, no one was there as of yet, so I swing back by and the it is over. ;)
I have read through each and every one of these posts. Aside from the name calling; to each other and to the POTUS, (which has not been nearly as bad as I had anticipated, and is to be expected) It seems this was a very lively debate.
To those of us who signed the petition, as I had stated since my posts very early on, this was merely a symbolic gesture. If a state wishes to leave the U.S. it does not ask the POTUS for his approval. Personally, I signed the petition to add my name to a list of people who have been having our freedoms, privacy, and national security taken away. Most of Americans do not see this because it has developed into an art of slowly chiseling away while using sleight of hand tricks to divert the attention of citizens from what has been going on since about 1992. This chiseling started well before then, history shows the progressive moevment started in the 30s, but has been ramped up as less and less people pay attention.
The typical American is simply too busy to take the time necessary to read through articles, reject the inherit BS, take what could possibly be reputable and research the facts,
This is not a bash on anyone I am simply stating Americans, in general, have too much on their plate to do this.
MO PATRIOT
9:39 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
This is my job and life, although I mean it is my duty as a citizen, it is also literally my career
To those who stated we should all respect the POSTUS...
Ok, well he decides he needs to respect the office of the presidency and uphold his sworn oath when he was inaugurated, that would be the case. He simply has not.
I am not talking about his citizenship; I am talking about his attitude and demeanor.
Telling the SCOTUS, "They should think long and hard before making a poor judgment call"; this along with two or three other statements he made publicly and while on camera.
This should be alarming to so many that our sitting president is making threats (symbolically or not) to the highest court in our country.
Between this issue, the siding with Arab Nations over countries we have either been official allies with via treaty; or with Israel (with whom we do not have an official treaty with them we have aided in their defense for half a century, thus setting a precedent.
MO PATRIOT
9:41 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Has this been said in public, in many cases? Yes. Most recently on 9/11 - 9/15 he stated the Benghazi attack was to be blamed on a man who made an anti-Muslim video. Therefore sending the message to the Arab World your actions were just.
Now Rice, who was at the fore front of this cover story is the #1 candidate for the open Sec. of State position. Number 2...John Kerry. I am horrified Rice may become the replacement, but Kerry is not too great an option either.
Just look at Rice's history/career over the past 20 years and you will see what I mean.
Ok so maybe she did not have all the facts, or maybe she was sent out with false information purposely. Either way it’s wrong.
Do not speak about which you are not aware of all the information, and have morality, character, and integrity if asked to provide Americans with a false cover story.
Has anyone even watched this you tube video?
In the scheme of the multiple outrageous racially motivated videos this is pretty tame.
MO PATRIOT
9:41 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Are you aware the man was arrested?
On what grounds should he be arrested?
Freedom of speech works equally for everyone despite the party they are more closely in line.
He had the right to make this video just like an artist is allowed to display a portrait of Obama depicting him as Jesus during his crucifixion. While I may find something offensive it does not give me the right to tell him it cannot be displayed, for if that was to happen it could be me judged by our society for something I say or do.
As I said the trend of stripping our rights has been going on in both parties since the early-mid 90's. From the 30s to then we were on a slowing moving roller coaster when it first starts out climbing a steep incline. During the term of Bush Sr and Clinton (1st term and part of second) it was at the peak right before the drop. Since Bush Jr took office we have been in a free fall and it only picks up speed. If it took 60 years to get from FDR to Bush Sr. it will take less than half the time to reach the bottom. Somewhere in the realm of 2016 giver or take.
MO PATRIOT
9:42 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
It was Bush Sr. who actually signed the presidential directive ordering wireless wiretapping, but due to the incidents in Benghazi few even noticed Congress pushed through an extension of these wiretaps. No warrant is necessary, if for any reason the president or the Atty General see it necessary.
With the withheld evidence of Benghazi and the "Fast and Furious" debacle I am not sure what they will see as necessary. Especially since Obama stated he was going to close Guantanamo (signed presidential order for its closure on his first day in office but it remains open) and the fact he spoke to journalists and citizens on record as saying he would in no way seek out an effort to extend the, what he called. "Unconstitutional and illegal wiretaps.
Seems like everyone who was in a stupefied admiration of his charisma forgot to see these two promises (which were of the UTMOST importance to many of his followers) to realize he did not keep either of them. The renewal of the wiretaps was signed in September, two months before the election.
MO PATRIOT
9:43 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
These are just 2 examples out of many which he has failed to follow through on, but the easiest to research for anyone who may think I am an Obama hater. I am not Bush Jr. set up these wireless wiretaps a full 7 months before Sept. 11, 2011. Also he passed the Patriot Act in the same manner The Affordable Health Care Act was pushed through. While there may be some important areas which the Patriot act covers they are vastly outnumbered by the extremely bad/dangerous ones. Just like with The Health Care legislation.
Laws enacted which take away freedoms of any kind are almost always passed during a president's height of popularity or leading up to/during a crisis. Simply using sleight of hand Americans which many are oblivious to noticing because of the idea we need to be secure or free health care will save all of our issues within our health system. My wife being a nurse has seen some of what is to come when this Health Care Law is fully implemented.
Signing a petition as a symbolic gesture merely sent the messages that we want the freedoms so many have lost their lives to protect, Obama does not have a mandate to any degree (winning an election be a few million votes is not a mandate no matter how you slice the Electoral College, and he needs to be made aware of this fact. .
MO PATRIOT
9:43 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
He may be making 48-51% off America happy but the remainder is to the same degree of happiness on one side, fearful for further loss of freedoms and outraged at how some things have been implemented since the late 1990s. Enough is enough
Whatever issues important to his agenda are not passed by the legislature are signed via presidential directives, or even worse handed off to be discussed and pass by the United Nations, (or an organization which falls under the UN umbrella, I.E. CFR, ITU, etc.)
Do I plan to take up arms and fight other citizens, no that is not my intent. Another Civil War is not what we need; we need a president who will not temporarily appease half the nation while ostracizing the other half. Same goes for Congress.
If, by presidential order the man who made the You Tube video was arrested, and wiretaps are perfectly fine without a warrant or disclosure to the person involved according to his mindset, I leave you with this considering the hostility towards Christianity is gowning exponentially and the embrace of the Arab World is occurring before our very eyes.
Whose side is he on? Furthermore what if instead of it being a painting of Obama in a Christ like pose, what if it was a painting which caused outrage with the Muslim nations depicting something just as offensive but using the Prophet Mohammad in place of Obama.
MO PATRIOT
9:45 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I am not saying I am anti-Arab or anti-Muslim, nor am I an overly religious right wing fanatic; I am merely stating why arrest someone for one thing but not the other, it should be equal on each side of the coin.
Lastly, Obama was clearly many times outspoken of his support of the protest and eventual overthrow of the government/dictatorship in Egypt. Now the following year the Muslim Brotherhood is in control and the "president" who was victorious by a 52 to 47 margin has now came out and said a retrial is necessary in the case against the former dictator and additionally signed orders given him full control over the judicial court system and no policy enacted can be overturned or disputed by any part of the government. Oh and his "cabinet are from the exact same group he is, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. He later clarified this to mean only certain issues involving “sovereignty”. Pardon me if I do not trust that and what his idea of that term may actually mean to him.
Perhaps was the plan all along, perhaps not, it doesn’t matter it is happened/happening right now and out president supported it and thought it showed great courage of those protestors involved.
Seems like the government in Egypt stole the Obama playbook but jumped forward to the last few chapters to make the process so quick it was done nearly overnight.
MO PATRIOT
9:46 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
So if he supported that uprising, will he support a similar uprising as he travels the same path if that many protesters arrive at The White House? I would think not. Again what is good for one is not for the other. We would, just the same be fighting for our freedoms but not ne nearly as supported by our president was to the citizens of Egypt
Oh and for the record there has been some debate, and some links posted regarding secession from the USA. As I said I don’t think, (and pray it does not) come to something of this nature.
However according to our national laws, The Constitution and the ratified amendments) it clearly states nothing about allowing a state to secede this is correct. HOWEVER it does say any power which is not granted solely to the Federal Government and also any power in which an actual Federal law prohibits a state from enacting any laws or passing any legislation not covered by these two items is declared to be the right of the individual states. It is in plain English, and am surprised Scalia said what he did, but then again he stated the SCOTUS tries to stay away from any issue arising from the question of the meaning of a Natural Born Citizen. Seems like Bush and Clinton both appointed judges just right and
MO PATRIOT
9:47 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Obama completed the task with his appointments where the Constitution at the Federal level is no longer followed or abided by but incorrect inferences can be made which can easily sway these justices in whichever way the sitting president needs them to be swayed according to his agenda.
Again this should show I am not Anti-Obama, I have en equal disrespect for those who came before him who no longer use our governing documents to govern our country. Instead they have resorted to FDR era tactics of presidential directives and passing laws under the radar via other agencies, or making unconstitutional appointments while Congress is in session.
FDR in implementing different areas of his "New Deal", which by all accounts was a colossal failure and was responsible for the phrase "recession", actually knew the SCOTUS would likely declare certain aspects unconstitutional devised a plan to redesign the Supreme Court to suit his needs.
This is ACUTAL HISTORY BOOKS, not the ones which are brought home by the nation's children, and is not disputed.
MO PATRIOT
9:51 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
So I know that was lengthy and it took a long time for me to write and for you to read, if you chose to do so, However I needed to make up for my lost time in this conversation ;)
RDBet
9:56 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I had to stop reading this manifesto early on - when you build up this invisible enemy called the "progressive moevment". The all-powerful progressive movement...lol. I suppose Dennis Kucinech is Dr. Evil.
Thanks for the laughs MO Patriot.
MO PATRIOT
10:22 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I hate to break it you, and as I said I know it was lengthy, but there was not a single item in all of my "manifesto" which cannot be verified either through history books from the eras, or for more recent events they are all over. These speeches and quotes I mentioned are readily found in video form on many sites in unedited form.
You however proved one of my first points by admitting you did not read the entire range of posts, and quit early on.
Although I sincerely appreciate your honesty my simple point is:
Few Americans will take even then 10 minutes to read a comment before a rush to judgment and ridicule. Had you finished the postings you might have learned something about our past, and how it pertains to our future.
Although it was completely unintentional, you are welcome for the laughs on a most unfunny subject.
RDBet
10:35 am on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Sorry, the progressive movement. What a force they are! Lol! I just can't read on. Change your name from MO Patriot to something less over the top, and I might give it a go.
One could cobble together quotes, facts and video to support any sort of manifesto, conspiracy theory or fantastical -the Mayan calendar, to corporate facist rule etc etc. It's not that hard to do. It doesn't take a Ted Kaczynski to put one together.
Rachel Walker
1:01 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
"Few Americans will take even then 10 minutes to read a comment"
Your "comment" came in at somewhere around 2700 words. That's not a comment, that's an ebook. You should call it 50 Shades of Cray Cray.
MIKE K
3:34 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Obama may be your President but not mine, never has, never will be. Also he is a communist turd, is that plain enough for you.
Tom Maher
5:04 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Say there, "mike k" - did you forget that he is also a Muslim as well as a St. Louis-hater ('Member the White Sox jacket he wore at the All Star game, thus dissing all of Cardinal Nation?)?
Oh - I presume your Mom knows of her brave, yet anonymous, son's potty mouth and your kids will brag at school of their dad's extensive vocabulary?
MO PATRIOT
12:16 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012
The single thing we can agree on is most likely this is a non issue and to those who signed a symbolic gesture.
As my final posts I just would like to say while much of this was great debate, Tom Maher, posting around 15 times brought nothing to the table. It is very disrespectful to only reply with belittling, sarcastic, mocking comments or otherwise just name-calling. I try to maintain a level of respect to any forum member on any website. People, such as Tom are common on both sides of the political spectrum. However when he uses something sarcastic, such as Obama not wearing a Cardinals jacket, as a way to divert the conversation and simply poke fun off someone who posted a thought out comment is really strange. Strange as in why, even sarcastically, would he believe this stemmed even remotely from this occurring during Obama's visit? Also strange because he found it to be such a great use of sarcasm or really wants others to believe it is true, that he used it twice. Really?
This coupled with the atrocious spelling errors, grammatical errors, and so forth achieves nothing.
Everyone makes spelling errors when posting from time to time, they are in nearly every single one of his short attention diverting posts.
This could be overlooked had it not been for him making a belittling and somewhat hateful comment regarding someone's choice of user name multiple times with different members.
MO PATRIOT
12:19 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012
This is especially apparent in his post which he corrected the incorrect usage of Ravel. While the comment he replied to was atrociously inaccurate and in poor judgment it seems he was so disturbed by this, all too often, misspelling of the composer Maurice Ravel to really criticize it, all the while making serious errors in spelling and grammar himself.
Tom Maher
1:45 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012
Oh brave (and yet conveniently anonymous) "MO PATRIOT" - may I chortle at your sanctimonious and pharisaic nom de Net?
The Ravel comment was not incorrect and had no spelling or grammatical errors.
But you knew that...
I poke fun at self-righteous and narrow-minded prigs; I take it your skin is thin and your ears have been burning?
Reread brave (and yet anonymous) "mike k's" comment and confirm that his was civil and free from an excrement-related noun - and then reaffirm that my retort was inaccurate (and free from barnyard epithets).
Perhaps you might want to go several sizes up on your Jockeys™; after all, you are no longer in your high school condition and they seem to be pinching more than a bit.
MO PATRIOT
12:19 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012
My single vile posting in retort to each of the 15 he so eloquently gave is this, apparently he has so much knowledge to share regarding this composer, that perhaps he suffered a traumatic brain injury much like Ravel did which can cause a change in temperament and common spelling errors in its early stages. If he knows some much of a composer who dies in the late 30s why would he not have some type of intelligent rebuttal?
Oh and I believe you meat to use the word vernacular in your final post (to date) above. Yes his comment was a name calling one as well but don't criticize someone for something then make similar mistakes yourself on multiple occasions. Vernacular is not synonymous with vocabulary, although is used in such a way by so many.
So don’t look to Tom for any suggestions of staying on point, how to maintain some level of dignity, proper use of grammar, or how to form an appropriate rebuttal.
However if you want tips on how to degrade someone, divert the topic to something trivial, or apparently some great insight on the composer Maurice Ravel Tom would be the guy and should be able to assist you in those areas.
It has been interesting how this thread has evolved over a few weeks, but just as any topic does it ends up being a far cry from anything relevant to the original topic or article.
Tom Maher
1:48 pm on Friday, November 30, 2012
Oh brave (and yet conveniently anonymous) "MO PATRIOT" - may I chortle at your sanctimonious and pharisaic nom de Net?
Quoting you: "Oh and I believe you meat [sic] to use the word vernacular in your final post (to date) above."
May I giggle and guffaw again for your excoriation of others' misspelling?
What is the old expression? Oh, yes: "Pot, meet kettle."
And actually, my "MO (paranoid) PATRIOT," I did not use the word "vernacular" because it was not appropriate.
You know - you might also want to review the proper usage of commas in your future rants (and DO go several sizes up on the Jockeys™).
In retrospect, brave (and yet conveniently anonymous) "MO PATRIOT," perhaps in the future I should just characterize your non de Patch name as being simply "sanctimonious?"
Fred Oompahloompah
10:13 am on Tuesday, December 11, 2012
It is all nonsense! Just consider the consequences, complications and cost if such an action succeeded! It would be a nightmare for any citizen who lived in a state with out the support of the federal government no matter how flawed it is. Just imagine who would be the "President of the United State of Missouri"! Bwhahahah!